Bill Moyers interviews Sarah Chayes
December 14, 2008 Afghanistan, Islamism beyond the Shibboleths, War on Terror as Misguided Metaphor No CommentsBill Moyers Journal . Transcripts | PBS, February 22, 2008
BILL MOYERS: So what happens if the American ambassador there, who’s a big advocate of aerial spraying to destroy the poppy fields. What happens if he succeeds? What happens if the United States government sprays all the poppy plants and kills them, as happened in Colombia. What do the farmers do?
SARAH CHAYES: They join the Taliban. I mean, it’s the biggest gift we could possibly do for the insurgency. What else would they do? They’re furious. Their livelihood is taken away. Their children might be poisoned. Or they might think their children are poisoned. They join the Taliban. They take revenge.
BILL MOYERS: So if people were not growing poppies, what would they be growing?
SARAH CHAYES: What exists down there is very valuable crops. Almonds, apricots. It’s fruit crops mostly. To me, the way to attack opium is to compete with it. Like let’s make it possible to make a living and not– you don’t have to import some exotic new plant. They’ve got almonds, they’ve got apricots, they’ve got pomegranates. They’ve got cumin, they’ve got anise seed. Wild pistachios. We’re putting all this stuff in our soap.
Why isn’t there a fruit juice factory in Kandahar? It’s the pomegranate capital of the world. You know, everyone’s talking about the antioxidant qualities of pomegranates. That it’s the Garden of Eden of pomegranates down there. And what’s amazing is, with all this money that you mentioned being spent over there, you can’t get any money to do stuff like that.
BILL MOYERS: We’ve also given a lot of money to Pakistan, across the border.
SARAH CHAYES: Right. Correct.
BILL MOYERS: To help fight the insurgents, right? What’s happening to that money?
SARAH CHAYES: Well, we’re paying a billion dollars a year to Pakistan, which is orchestrating the Taliban insurgency. So, it’s actually US-taxpayer money that is paying for the insurgents, who are then killing, at the moment, Canadian troops.




